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Old 09-06-2006, 09:50 PM   #1
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Chambers of Tulun...

Citadel Gate...

Chambers of Tulun again...

Trenches...

Chambers of Tulun again and again...

Trenches again...

< pant >

Street Bazaar...

Trenches again and again...

< pant pant >

Street Bazaar again...

Trenches again, again and yet AGAIN!...

< pant wheeze pant >

Citadel Gate again...

< BLAM! >

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Old 09-08-2006, 03:48 AM   #2
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Gordian Slash wrote:
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Chambers of Tulun... Citadel Gate... Chambers of Tulun again... Trenches... Chambers of Tulun again and again... Trenches again... < pant > Street Bazaar... Trenches again and again... < pant pant > Street Bazaar again... Trenches again, again and yet AGAIN!... < pant wheeze pant > Citadel Gate again... < BLAM! > ___ Mr. Flibble says: ' This is why I insured GS without his knowing it.'


Exactly! I too in the end hated every single inch of Cairo.

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Old 09-08-2006, 07:32 PM   #3
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Gordian Slash wrote:
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Chambers of Tulun... Citadel Gate... Chambers of Tulun again... Trenches... Chambers of Tulun again and again... Trenches again... < pant > Street Bazaar... Trenches again and again... < pant pant > Street Bazaar again... Trenches again, again and yet AGAIN!... < pant wheeze pant > Citadel Gate again... < BLAM! >


And in real life, you never goes back to locations where you've been before?

Mostly folks keeps complaining about that games are 'linear
corridor-shooters'.
The above didn't bother me a bit, and in fact helped building a chimera
of non-linearity into the game, as in that i(laura) am not always moving
forward, all the time forward, even if i in fact had to follow a 'path'
back and forth.

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Old 09-09-2006, 05:20 AM   #4
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"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Chambers of Tulun... Citadel Gate... Chambers of Tulun again... Trenches... Chambers of Tulun again and again... Trenches again... < pant > Street Bazaar... Trenches again and again... < pant pant > Street Bazaar again... Trenches again, again and yet AGAIN!... < pant wheeze pant > Citadel Gate again... < BLAM! >
And in real life, you never goes back to locations where you've been before? Mostly folks keeps complaining about that games are 'linear corridor-shooters'. The above didn't bother me a bit, and in fact helped building a chimera of non-linearity into the game, as in that i(laura) am not always moving forward, all the time forward, even if i in fact had to follow a 'path' back and forth. -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

I hadnt' finished TR4 yet because I'd gotten some half to 2/3 thru, upgraded
my system, and then it wouldn't run. Ok, so I got it to run months later
with a driver fix, and i'd lost my game saves. Gotta start over. I'll do
that eventually. Start over and finish it. I did finish 1, 2 and 3. Never
got far in Chronicles, it kept bombing out, crashing. And now I also have
TLA to finish, AoD to finish and Legend to ...nope, I don't even like timed
runs. That's sports, I'm into adventure When I get through the game
proper, i'll use the cheats and get all those goodies.
I always felt that 1, 2 and 3 were simply great. I also felt 4 was, but
tedious in places. there are alot of great locations and scenery in these
games too. And music. Great scores.
McG.


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Old 09-09-2006, 08:06 AM   #5
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One nice thing about this was Lara health was restored
every time you crossed a boundary line, so it made it
easier to do a no health kits run.


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Old 09-09-2006, 08:23 AM   #6
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McGrandpa wrote:

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I hadnt' finished TR4 yet because I'd gotten some half to 2/3 thru, upgraded my system, and then it wouldn't run. Ok, so I got it to run months later with a driver fix, and i'd lost my game saves. Gotta start over.


I do backup my save-files now and then in games as i go along, should i
want to replay a particular segment at a later time. Or just in case
things like you describe should happen. And then there's the 'net where
you could find save-games for TRIV, even back then in the year 2000 if
you played it when new.
Quote:
I'll do that eventually. Start over and finish it. I did finish 1, 2 and 3. Never got far in Chronicles, it kept bombing out, crashing. And now I also have TLA to finish, AoD to finish and Legend to ...nope, I don't even like timed runs.


That is TRVI(AoD) and_or TRVII(Legend) you complain about? I haven't
played those. What the OP complained about in TRIV was having to do new
things but having to revisit earlier locals ... well, that's the way i
remember the game after reading what he described.
Quote:
That's sports, I'm into adventure When I get through the game proper, i'll use the cheats and get all those goodies. I always felt that 1, 2 and 3 were simply great. I also felt 4 was, but tedious in places. there are alot of great locations and scenery in these games too. And music. Great scores.


One thing i didn't like about TRIV was the forked path in one level so
that when after having played it, when i read a walkthrough to see what
i had missed, i discovered that there was a whole 2nd path i hadn't been
allowed to visit. And there is a similar thing in TRIII where you have
to follow a river, but have to choose which side. Arrgh, I like to
explore everything! But for cases like these, żain't backed-up
save-games just great? :-)

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Going through all these things twice."

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Old 09-09-2006, 02:15 PM   #7
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"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
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I hadnt' finished TR4 yet because I'd gotten some half to 2/3 thru, upgraded my system, and then it wouldn't run. Ok, so I got it to run months later with a driver fix, and i'd lost my game saves. Gotta start over.
I do backup my save-files now and then in games as i go along, should i want to replay a particular segment at a later time. Or just in case things like you describe should happen. And then there's the 'net where you could find save-games for TRIV, even back then in the year 2000 if you played it when new.


I have the Jeff Reid saved games for all of them stashed on a backup cd.
I'd just rather play the game through myself. There are instances where
having those is very handy.
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I'll do that eventually. Start over and finish it. I did finish 1, 2 and 3. Never got far in Chronicles, it kept bombing out, crashing. And now I also have TLA to finish, AoD to finish and Legend to ...nope, I don't even like timed runs.
That is TRVI(AoD) and_or TRVII(Legend) you complain about? I haven't played those. What the OP complained about in TRIV was having to do new things but having to revisit earlier locals ... well, that's the way i remember the game after reading what he described.


TR6(AoD) is buggy, out of character, and incomplete. TR7 (Legend) is a
completely new kind of game. It's not like Tombraider at all to me. It's
now a console sports/shooter.
Quote:
Quote:
That's sports, I'm into adventure When I get through the game proper, i'll use the cheats and get all those goodies. I always felt that 1, 2 and 3 were simply great. I also felt 4 was, but tedious in places. there are alot of great locations and scenery in these games too. And music. Great scores.
One thing i didn't like about TRIV was the forked path in one level so that when after having played it, when i read a walkthrough to see what i had missed, i discovered that there was a whole 2nd path i hadn't been allowed to visit. And there is a similar thing in TRIII where you have to follow a river, but have to choose which side. Arrgh, I like to explore everything! But for cases like these, żain't backed-up save-games just great? :-)


That's where the Jeff Reid saved games are handy. I dunno how he does it,
but glad someone did!
McG.
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:51 PM   #8
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McGrandpa wrote:
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"... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message news:cUBMg.15789$E02.6060@newsb.telia.net...
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McGrandpa wrote: [ snip ]
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I hadnt' finished TR4 yet because I'd gotten some half to 2/3 thru, upgraded my system, and then it wouldn't run. Ok, so I got it to run months later with a driver fix, and i'd lost my game saves. Gotta start over.
I do backup my save-files now and then in games as i go along, should i want to replay a particular segment at a later time. Or just in case things like you describe should happen. And then there's the 'net where you could find save-games for TRIV, even back then in the year 2000 if you played it when new.
I have the Jeff Reid saved games for all of them stashed on a backup cd. I'd just rather play the game through myself. There are instances where having those is very handy.
Quote:
Quote:
I'll do that eventually. Start over and finish it. I did finish 1, 2 and 3. Never got far in Chronicles, it kept bombing out, crashing. And now I also have TLA to finish, AoD to finish and Legend to ...nope, I don't even like timed runs.
That is TRVI(AoD) and_or TRVII(Legend) you complain about? I haven't played those. What the OP complained about in TRIV was having to do new things but having to revisit earlier locals ... well, that's the way i remember the game after reading what he described.
TR6(AoD) is buggy, out of character, and incomplete. TR7 (Legend) is a completely new kind of game. It's not like Tombraider at all to me. It's now a console sports/shooter.


Now ...kinda...but...I thought Leg End was more TR than AOD was. Muchly.

But it wasn't *quite* what we know as TR. The biggest bug bears for me were
the lack of saveness, and the emphasis on boss-ness, and the biggest of
these bears of bugness was the weird freaky wtf is going on camera thing.
That was just BAD. Some of the things that would have been second nature in
TR 1-5...Hang on...I'm gonna have to do that again 'cos the camera turned
left and I was pointing right and now I'm jumping backwards?! Well
now...what the HELL is that about??!?!

The extra shooty-ness and the boss-ness I can kinda deal with, but come on
guys!! We've had our interface going on for years now. Why mess with it?!?!

I ended up setting the interface like Max Payne and that sort of worked but
it wasn't quite right, 'cos as soon as the camera angle changed....bleh.
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That's sports, I'm into adventure When I get through the game proper, i'll use the cheats and get all those goodies. I always felt that 1, 2 and 3 were simply great. I also felt 4 was, but tedious in places. there are alot of great locations and scenery in these games too. And music. Great scores.
One thing i didn't like about TRIV was the forked path in one level so that when after having played it, when i read a walkthrough to see what i had missed, i discovered that there was a whole 2nd path i hadn't been allowed to visit. And there is a similar thing in TRIII where you have to follow a river, but have to choose which side. Arrgh, I like to explore everything! But for cases like these, żain't backed-up save-games just great? :-) That's where the Jeff Reid saved games are handy. I dunno how he does it, but glad someone did! McG.



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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in
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TR6(AoD) is buggy, out of character, and incomplete. TR7 (Legend) is a completely new kind of game. It's not like Tombraider at all to me. It's now a console sports/shooter.


The old TRs were the best 3D platformers I've played. I liked that
"sports" aspect of them, including the sometimes frustrating timed
runs. As a platformer, TR7 is /extremely/ dumbed down. A major part
of a good platform game is figuring out how to get from where you are
to where you think you need to be, and that's entirely missing in 7,
unless the gymnasium and the pool in the mansion count.

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"»Q«" <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote in message
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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in <news:n2HMg.17143$dl.13946@tornado.texas.rr.com>:
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TR6(AoD) is buggy, out of character, and incomplete. TR7 (Legend) is a completely new kind of game. It's not like Tombraider at all to me. It's now a console sports/shooter.
The old TRs were the best 3D platformers I've played. I liked that "sports" aspect of them, including the sometimes frustrating timed runs. As a platformer, TR7 is /extremely/ dumbed down. A major part of a good platform game is figuring out how to get from where you are to where you think you need to be, and that's entirely missing in 7, unless the gymnasium and the pool in the mansion count. -- »Q«


I've honestly had more fun playing in the mansion pools/gym than I have in
the rest of the game. Oh well.
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