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Old 04-19-2005, 06:00 AM   #1
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Afternoon

Just a query about what i could have done in the following situation.

L30 Troll Shaman (enhancement) killing yetis in Hillsbrad to try and
finish the Hecular's rod series of quests. Having a good time and
minding my own business, but I kept getting backstabbed and killed by a
stealthed night elf rogue just after i had killed a mob or two.
Not too much of a hassle as the graveyard is closeby, but he followed
me around for a fair while and across quite a distance (into the
mountains to get the last flame for the quest), repeatedly doing the
same thing, going stealth, waiting till I was low health and ganking
me.

Is there any tactics I could have used to stop him?

The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run
every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic
it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little
bastard

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Old 04-19-2005, 06:43 AM   #2
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In article <MPG.1ccf1f37deff8725989f9d@news.individual.net>,
Trooper <news@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
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Is there any tactics I could have used to stop him?


Be a boring opponent.
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The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little bastard


More satisfying the 1st time, but you would've extended his stay by at
least 2x, maybe more. Hence (IMO), better to ignore.

Actually, in an effort to be a REALLY boring opponent, I go out of my
way to "be stupid" about it. When he starts a fight, I disarm and sit
down. When his hitting me makes me stand back up, I sit down again.
When I die, rather than try to hide-on-rez, I go right to my corpse, sit
down, and rez.

The idea is to induce a "what a moron, let's go do something else"
reaction as quickly as possible.

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Old 04-19-2005, 06:52 AM   #3
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Trooper left a note on my windscreen which said:
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The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little bastard


You don't mention the rogue's level but assuming he is 30 like you try
this..

Rez and reapply buffs as normal, sit down to eat/drink and regain your
HP and Mana. Leave your character sat down for a few minutes and then
use /afk. If he's anything like the rogue I encountered he will use
this as an opportunity to attack since as far as he is concerned you've
gone to pee/make coffee/mow the lawn - whatever.

As soon as he attacks leap into action and proceed to tear him a new
one. It's all an alliance deserves anyway.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:45 AM   #4
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Trooper left a note on my windscreen which said:
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The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little bastard
You don't mention the rogue's level but assuming he is 30 like you try this.. Rez and reapply buffs as normal, sit down to eat/drink and regain your HP and Mana. Leave your character sat down for a few minutes and then use /afk. If he's anything like the rogue I encountered he will use this as an opportunity to attack since as far as he is concerned you've gone to pee/make coffee/mow the lawn - whatever. As soon as he attacks leap into action and proceed to tear him a new one. It's all an alliance deserves anyway.


Yup, he was L31.

I tried the /afk approach after a little while, but he had obviously
gone by then as i didn't get ganked then, or after then.

I'm guessing there isn't much a shaman can do to "see" an equal level
rogue if he is stealthed?


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Old 04-19-2005, 08:45 AM   #5
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Catseye Elixir will help you see him earlier (though not as if he was
unstealthed) and is a easily made potion by even a mid-level alchemist that
does not require difficult ingredients.

The SINGLE best tactic would have been to /w your friends or guildmates to
come quest with you. Even one additional one would have discouraged him
immediately. What? you don't have friends or guildmates on a PvP server?
What? You do but they are "too busy" to come help you? What? They aren't
online? Get..more...friends.

If he does attack, your first reaction should be to slow down his run speed.
Rogues are melee. Put space between you and him and you have the upper
hand.

Xanex....UndeadRogueazon, it is rare for a lone Rogue to attack 2 opponents
that are his own level. If he does and is good enough to kill you both
without much effort....run.



"Trooper" <news@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote in message
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Stoneskin loved her ferret enough to say...
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Trooper left a note on my windscreen which said:
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The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little bastard
You don't mention the rogue's level but assuming he is 30 like you try this.. Rez and reapply buffs as normal, sit down to eat/drink and regain your HP and Mana. Leave your character sat down for a few minutes and then use /afk. If he's anything like the rogue I encountered he will use this as an opportunity to attack since as far as he is concerned you've gone to pee/make coffee/mow the lawn - whatever. As soon as he attacks leap into action and proceed to tear him a new one. It's all an alliance deserves anyway.
Yup, he was L31. I tried the /afk approach after a little while, but he had obviously gone by then as i didn't get ganked then, or after then. I'm guessing there isn't much a shaman can do to "see" an equal level rogue if he is stealthed? -- Trooper usenet@trooperlooper.co.uk.invalid (remove the obvious)



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Old 04-19-2005, 10:52 AM   #6
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:00:00 +0100, Trooper <news@trooperlooper.co.uk>
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AfternoonJust a query about what i could have done in the following situation.L30 Troll Shaman (enhancement) killing yetis in Hillsbrad to try andfinish the Hecular's rod series of quests. Having a good time andminding my own business, but I kept getting backstabbed and killed by astealthed night elf rogue just after i had killed a mob or two.Not too much of a hassle as the graveyard is closeby, but he followedme around for a fair while and across quite a distance (into themountains to get the last flame for the quest), repeatedly doing thesame thing, going stealth, waiting till I was low health and gankingme.Is there any tactics I could have used to stop him?


Pull out a shield if you're using a 2 hander, you want to mitigate his
damage during the initial rush. You can always switch back to a 2
hander after the fight has started.

Drop an earthbind totem when you're fighting a mob, that way if he
tries to sneak up and gank you he'll at least be snared immediately.
If you really think he's close, you can always try an AoE totem to
knock him out of stealth.

If you see him, try to hit him with a fire shock, the dot will keep
him from restealthing. Fire shock and earthbind is better than frost
shock, imo.

If you can survive a rogue's first attack and keep him from
restealthing, advantage switches over to the shaman.

This is from the perspective of a rogue on a PvE server.

Rgds, Frank

PS: If you're on Icecrown, please ignore all of the above! <g>

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Old 04-19-2005, 11:01 AM   #7
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u ytrede sig i <d43ci5$tfl$1@domitilla.aioe.org> med dette:
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Xanex....UndeadRogueazon, it is rare for a lone Rogue to attack 2 opponentsthat are his own level. If he does and is good enough to kill you bothwithout much effort....run.


LOL, that lesson was learned the hard way for a coupple of lvl 60
Paladins the other night, when one of my guildmates went to clear out
the Scarlet Monestary.

He's ofcause lvl 60 too, and he said he killed them 3 times without
getting a single hit himself. By then they finally decided to run :-D

It's a common joke in my guild that Paladins are the most useless class
when hitting lvl 60, because every horde class can beat them without
much trouple.
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:56 AM   #8
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"Trooper" <news@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote in message
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Afternoon Just a query about what i could have done in the following situation. L30 Troll Shaman (enhancement) killing yetis in Hillsbrad to try and finish the Hecular's rod series of quests. Having a good time and minding my own business, but I kept getting backstabbed and killed by a stealthed night elf rogue just after i had killed a mob or two. Not too much of a hassle as the graveyard is closeby, but he followed me around for a fair while and across quite a distance (into the mountains to get the last flame for the quest), repeatedly doing the same thing, going stealth, waiting till I was low health and ganking me. Is there any tactics I could have used to stop him? The tactic I used was to basically ignore him and just do the grave run every few minutes till he eventually got bored and stopped, as a tactic it worked, but it would have been more satisfying to kill the little bastard -- Trooper usenet@trooperlooper.co.uk.invalid (remove the obvious)


If I was getting ganked repeatedly by a rogue (which i never get cos of
being on PvE), I'd put a call out for a druid to come help.

Ah, the honour system, absolutely flawless.


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Old 04-20-2005, 03:46 AM   #9
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"Rich GK" <me@wcvrk.net> wrote:
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If I was getting ganked repeatedly by a rogue (which i never get cos of being on PvE), I'd put a call out for a druid to come help.


Why a druid?

Chris, wondering, because he sucks against rogues

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Old 04-20-2005, 05:17 AM   #10
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Christian Stauffer wrote:
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"Rich GK" <me@wcvrk.net> wrote:
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If I was getting ganked repeatedly by a rogue (which i never get cos of being on PvE), I'd put a call out for a druid to come help.
Why a druid? Chris, wondering, because he sucks against rogues


Who doesn't, especially if the rogue gets the first hit from behind?
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