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Old 12-08-2003, 10:55 AM   #1
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Cheaters and the recent up swell of concern (12-8-03)

Over the last few days there has been a growing community concern about
possible cheating, exploiting and platinum duplication. Rumors and
speculation have begun to run rampant, and I've received a lot of concerned
email on the topic.

First of all, I want to thank you for your concern. The fact that you worry
about this stuff as much as we do makes me feel good about the community
that I work for. I want to especially thank those that have sent in
detailed information about what they thought might be dupe or exploit
situations. That information has been very helpful.

With your help, we have been able to discover and eliminate some unusual
ways of cheating. Obviously I can't go into detail about exactly how this
cheating was done. I can tell you that several of our programmers and
designers took lengthy breaks from working on their current tasks to define,
investigate and smash those exploits. Most of these methods for cheating
have been removed. The few that remain will be fixed shortly. We will be
watching, and anyone using them will be banned.

At the same time, our Customer Service folks have been diligently tracking
down the cheaters. We have banned accounts and deleted characters in the
hundreds. It's never a good thing to be forced to remove so many accounts,
and we're not happy that such cheating was possible. We are pleased,
however, to let you know that we are confident that we have located the
majority of those that exploited the game and have removed their characters
or accounts.

Obviously we won't be able to prevent all of the possible ways to cheat.
The folks that insist on trying to cheat have proven to be persistent and
clever (and here is where I wonder why they don't apply that energy and
skill to something beneficial...). We need your help to locate these
issues. The multitude of eyes and ears of our players is always the best
source of information for us. If you ever suspect that you have discovered
something that seems like an exploit, please send that information to us
through the Developer's Corner AND through /bug. Please don't assume we
have heard the information already. We'd rather have ten reports about
something like this than none.

I'd also like to address a rumor about the nature of some of the cheating
that people have been talking about. There has been speculation in the
community that in order to pull off some of the rumored exploits someone had
to be working on the "inside".

We take such possibilities very seriously. And we have investigated this
very thoroughly. We keep track of all special EverQuest commands issued.
We have looked into the possibility that someone working here had a hand in
helping others cheat, and we have discovered no evidence that indicates that
to be the case. Also, the nature of the cheat did not require such inside
help. I can't describe the cheat method in any detail, but there was an
experience cheat that allowed extremely fast leveling. This required some
rather sophisticated cheating, but was being done without inside help.
Obviously we have removed that exploit and banned any accounts that used it.

Thank you for playing EverQuest. And thank you for you help making the game
fun.

Have a great holiday season.


Alan



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Old 12-08-2003, 12:16 PM   #2
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:18 GMT, Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com>
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So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling the essenceemeralds for cash?Thats not a pp cheat, its an exp cheat, even if you -did- use it to getwealth, you didnt use it to create wealth. It would also fail fairlyrapidly just because there's not -that- big a market for the darned things!I know, he said (or seemed to say) that there were other methods andmost of those have been stopped... but this particular paragraph justdoesn't cohere.Splendid


I took that quote as just an example of the methods used to cheat.
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Old 12-08-2003, 12:20 PM   #3
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Richard Lawson wrote:
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We take such possibilities very seriously. And we have investigated this very thoroughly. We keep track of all special EverQuest commands issued. We have looked into the possibility that someone working here had a hand in helping others cheat, and we have discovered no evidence that indicates that to be the case. Also, the nature of the cheat did not require such inside help. I can't describe the cheat method in any detail, but there was an experience cheat that allowed extremely fast leveling. This required some rather sophisticated cheating, but was being done without inside help. Obviously we have removed that exploit and banned any accounts that used it.

So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling the essence
emeralds for cash?

Thats not a pp cheat, its an exp cheat, even if you -did- use it to get
wealth, you didnt use it to create wealth. It would also fail fairly
rapidly just because there's not -that- big a market for the darned things!

I know, he said (or seemed to say) that there were other methods and
most of those have been stopped... but this particular paragraph just
doesn't cohere.

Splendid

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Old 12-08-2003, 12:25 PM   #4
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:18 GMT, Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com>
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I know, he said (or seemed to say) that there were other methods andmost of those have been stopped... but this particular paragraph justdoesn't cohere.


No but somtimes its hard to talk about something when you cant say
what it is enough to clarity.

Although Im impressed there was anything enough to get levels that
quick that was unchecked.
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Old 12-08-2003, 12:39 PM   #5
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>So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling
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the essence emeralds for cash?


Lance, I read it as he was talking about different kinds
of cheats/exploits that they've stopped. Some with plat
duping, another with leveling fast. Not that they were
the same instances.

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Old 12-08-2003, 12:57 PM   #6
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:18 GMT, Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com>
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Richard Lawson wrote:
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We take such possibilities very seriously. And we have investigated this very thoroughly. We keep track of all special EverQuest commands issued. We have looked into the possibility that someone working here had a hand in helping others cheat, and we have discovered no evidence that indicates that to be the case. Also, the nature of the cheat did not require such inside help. I can't describe the cheat method in any detail, but there was an experience cheat that allowed extremely fast leveling. This required some rather sophisticated cheating, but was being done without inside help. Obviously we have removed that exploit and banned any accounts that used it.
So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling the essenceemeralds for cash?Thats not a pp cheat, its an exp cheat, even if you -did- use it to getwealth, you didnt use it to create wealth. It would also fail fairlyrapidly just because there's not -that- big a market for the darned things!I know, he said (or seemed to say) that there were other methods andmost of those have been stopped... but this particular paragraph justdoesn't cohere.Splendid


No the plat cheat was using the shared bank, this cheat was an xp
expoit that allowed you to level quickly. Two different cheats, one
affected the game massivly the other didnt, will leave to your
imgination which is which. Not sure how much plat has been duped but
one rumor puts it at almost doubling on some servers. Think Xev was
hit the hardest as it also suffered from the shark thing a while back.
Least I got out before the collapse but wouldnt wish this on anyone.
Wonder if they have any ideas how to correct this mess or not.
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Old 12-08-2003, 01:15 PM   #7
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>Wonder if they have any ideas how to correct this mess or not.

Without hurting people who really didn't know what was going
on, too. Take me, for example. I don't have anything high-
priced on my trader but if I *did* and someone came and
bought one or two or all of them with duped plat, what is
the correction going to entail? Will they/Would they/Do they
delete the plat that, I, an innocent bystander in the whole
thing, received for items I offered for sale legitimately?

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Old 12-08-2003, 01:32 PM   #8
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Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in
news:3FD4DA63.20704@dejazzd.com:
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Richard Lawson wrote:
Quote:
We take such possibilities very seriously. And we have investigated this very thoroughly. We keep track of all special EverQuest commands issued. We have looked into the possibility that someone working here had a hand in helping others cheat, and we have discovered no evidence that indicates that to be the case. Also, the nature of the cheat did not require such inside help. I can't describe the cheat method in any detail, but there was an experience cheat that allowed extremely fast leveling. This required some rather sophisticated cheating, but was being done without inside help. Obviously we have removed that exploit and banned any accounts that used it.
So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling the essence emeralds for cash?


Whoa. Ok, Dick Tracy, tell us lesser informed how you deduced that?
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Thats not a pp cheat, its an exp cheat, even if you -did- use it to get wealth, you didnt use it to create wealth. It would also fail fairly rapidly just because there's not -that- big a market for the darned things!


How could that be used as an xp cheat anyway?

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Old 12-08-2003, 01:40 PM   #9
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Darktyger wrote:
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:18 GMT, Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote:
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So they were leveling up, then sacrificing and selling the essenceemeralds for cash?Thats not a pp cheat, its an exp cheat, even if you -did- use it to getwealth, you didnt use it to create wealth. It would also fail fairlyrapidly just because there's not -that- big a market for the darned things!I know, he said (or seemed to say) that there were other methods andmost of those have been stopped... but this particular paragraph justdoesn't cohere.Splendid
I took that quote as just an example of the methods used to cheat.


Me too... but a bad one since it wasn't cash oriented, and thats the
principle sort of cheating they seemed to be talking about.

OR maybe I was just misled by the thread title, and they were addressing
a whole raft of sorts of cheating all at once. For example, they seem
to have stealth nerfed the whole "repeat part of the quest to build
faction" approach to the shaman epic, although some time ago, perhaps
they've done a bunch more of that sort of thing as well.

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Old 12-08-2003, 01:52 PM   #10
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Richard Lawson wrote:
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http://eqlive.station.sony.com/community/dev_view.jsp Cheaters and the recent up swell of concern (12-8-03) Over the last few days there has been a growing community concern about possible cheating, exploiting and platinum duplication. Rumors and speculation have begun to run rampant, and I've received a lot of concerned email on the topic. First of all, I want to thank you for your concern. The fact that you worry about this stuff as much as we do makes me feel good about the community that I work for. I want to especially thank those that have sent in detailed information about what they thought might be dupe or exploit situations. That information has been very helpful. With your help, we have been able to discover and eliminate some unusual ways of cheating. Obviously I can't go into detail about exactly how this cheating was done. I can tell you that several of our programmers and designers took lengthy breaks from working on their current tasks to define, investigate and smash those exploits. Most of these methods for cheating have been removed. The few that remain will be fixed shortly. We will be watching, and anyone using them will be banned.


Obviously. He says. But I'm thinking about this, and its not obvious
to me. If its been fixed, then why NOT tell us what the methods were?

A) they've been fixed, so nobody will be able to take advantage of the
method

B) Knowing what they were would stop a lot of speculation

C) Knowing that they consider specific methods to be cheating would help
us know to avoid other, similar methods, AND help us know that they want
to be notified of them

D) Knowing which methods have been fixed would let those who know about
them and are driven by the request here to report them know they don't
need to bother; thus improving the signal to noise ratio in the reports
they are going to have to sift thru looking for more cheats.

I know, you are thinking "how can you not know its a cheat?" Well, take
for example the shaman epic. Almost every step in the epic generates
faction, and most dead end other than that. Do early steps, generate
sufficient faction to do later steps, and so forth, till you have
sufficient faction for the final step. Now it seems clear to -me- that
one approach would be to do early steps repeatedly, in order to skip
some of the later steps. Even if you wanted to do every step, there
certainly seems to be no harm, and perhaps some help, in doing some of
those steps repeatedly, getting more faction as a safety margin (some
have reported failure due to insufficient faction despite following all
the steps). Further, its possible to blow some of the early steps and
be forced to repeat. All that though, has been stomped on by the "cheat
police" who feel that doing anything other than each step, one time, is
an effort to cheat and must be stopped. SO if your faction is too high,
you fail the quest! And of course there's no way to tell where your
faction actually is precisely enough to tell if you can complete the
quest, other than to try the final handin.

Knowing that this is something they consider a cheat would be a lot of
help to unsuspecting shamans in the future, and to anyone else who has
been working on faction to achieve any goal by doing something repeatedly.

Of course it seems like nonsense, but if nobody will even explain the
descision then its very hard to argue with it. Things will just change
and nobody will be able to figure out why!

Splendid


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